Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. For reduced loads in the 222 Remington, reduce maximum load by one grain of powder from the 223. .454 Casull, .44-40 Winchester, .38-40 Winchester, .32-20 Winchester, .25-20 Winchester, .218 Bee. I have shot 2 Savage 23D .22 Hornets for years. While we have went to great lengths to make sure that it's as accurate as possible this rendering should not be used to generate specs for casings. Other than the big .220 Swift, the only serious competition for the Triple Deuce was the .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, and the .219 Zipper. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. A rimmed cartridge works better in Contenders since they headspace on the rim, stay with the Bee. As for that 221 designation, its neither fish nor foul. Have I ever had a problem with them ? Reply 12-14-2008, 11:16 AM # 2 stalkingbear Thats fast enough for a point blank range of about 235 yards on a 4-inch target. Roll your own using 35-grain bullets and ammo is cheap. Among the black bears, pronghorns, mountain goats and mule deer were eight typical and eight non-typical whitetails taken in nine different states. It ain't going to happen if you resize your cases properly. Does this not look like something out of a 1950s SciFi outerspace flick? The 308 Winchester essentially a shortened 30-06 was necked down to make the 7mm-08 Remington, 260 Remington and 243 Winchester. Cartridge Type: RifleHeight: 1.345"Width: 0.408"Average FPS: 2760Average Energy: 778Average Gr: 46Recoil: 0.56Power Rank: 1.27 of 20. What the 221 Fireball does have is great efficiency and surprising performance for its size, which is 1/3 of an inch shorter than the already short 222 Remington. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! In the early 1960s Remington was working on an experimental bolt-action pistol based on their Model 600 action. 410. Mag. While rifle barrels commonly range in length from 14.5 to 26in (37 to 66cm), pistol barrels are typically much shorter, ranging from 2 to 12in (5.1 to 30.5cm) although occasionally up to 16in (41cm) for some competition barrels. ????? When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. As it turned out, only a few Model 92s were chambered for the new cartridge, but it managed to find a permanent home in a variation of the Model 92 called the Model 65. Beautiful wood - better than a lot of stuff I've seen described as AAA. On the dogs inside of 200 yards, I could definitely see the hit, whereas the .223 had a bit more recoil; it was just enough to preclude a full view of the red mist. But do you know how to properly use them? Hope I can wait till Christmas . Most rifles are equipped with a 1:14 twist rate, bullet weight usually tops out with the 55-grain bullets, with many rifles exhibit a preference for 40 and 45-grain bullets. Among our own manufacturers Cooper Firearms of Montana still produces the Triple Deuce in several models, and there are many used Winchester, Savage, Browning and Ruger rifles chambered for the little gem. VarmintGuy # 8122370 10/02/13. The maximum SAAMI pressure level for the .221 Fireball is 52,000 C.U.P. Fireball. Learn more here: http://bit.ly/1G7xXag. It seems that the industry has chosen the .22 Hornet, and with the modern factory loads you can probably do anything that you could do with the .218 Bee. The .22 Hornet was a pet cartridge of mine for several years. Which of the two makes the better choice? The .221 Remington Fireball, often simply referred to as .221 Fireball, is a centerfire cartridge created by Remington Arms Company in 1963 as a special round for use in their experimental single-shot bolt-action pistol, the XP-100. The 300 BLK is a crazy idea, but it works. Give a Gift The 30-06, as most of us know, was rearranged to become the 270 Winchester, 280 Remington, 25-06 Remington, 338-06, 35 Whelen and others. Muzzle blast was judged excessive too. The speedy .220 Swift was released in 1935 and the .222 Remington was released in 1950, the year my father was born, but among those earliest designs were the .22 Hornet and the .218 Bee. On the negative side, the Bee also arrived with a handicap that may have prevented it from shining more brightly. It might even be less well known than some of its own offspring like the 17 Fireball and 300 Blackout. I cant imagine early 221 Fireball enthusiasts ever thinking their little squirt of a cartridge would some day be pushing bullets much heavier than their 300 Winchester Magnums routinely shot. The 223 WSSM nudges out the 220 Swift by about 40 fps, but it is practically moribund and not shown here. That takes in most coyote calling work and a heck of a lot of rodent shooting at minimum cost, recoil, and blast. I owned a pistol and three rifles so chambered - a T/C Contender 10", Contender Carbine, Kimber M82 and a second heavy barrel Kimber M82. And im wanting to get a new caliber and need help choosingi role my own for all rifles. Me, I have owned many rimless cartridge barrels. It's just a personal taste. Pushing a 50-grain bullet to over 3,100 fps, the .222 gave plenty of energy inside of 300 yards, and the pinpoint accuracy sent an indeterminable amount of woodchucks to the Great Alfalfa Field in the Sky. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Shooting reloads may void any warranty on your firearm. One species has evolved into obese cranial fatheads with thin skin in comparison that whines about anything and everything as their shield against their environment. The first and one of only three bolt-action rifles chambered for the .218 Bee was the Winchester Model 43. I got the accuracy but it's still a lot louder than a 22 mag but noticable less loud than my 223's. Just to illustrate how accurate a target-grade .222 can be, the cartridge has the unique distinction of shooting the only 0.0000 five-shot group, fired in September 1973 by Mac McMillan; it was registered as a true one-hole group, though would later be judged as a 0.0009 group, and would be unseated in 2013. Advantages to "K" are: brass can be fireformed by firing factory loaded hornet ammo,gain 300 fps,longer case life,easier extraction,more accurate,MUCH easier to find accurate load,and MUCH less finicky to load for without running into pressure issues which istypical with a lot of tiny cases. In my grandfathers era, the .22 Hornet was the go-to varmint cartridge, and the couple of seasons I spent behind the trigger of a .218 Bee were a whole lot of fun. It was originally made for the Model 65 lever action rifles that were based off the 1892 If youre surprised by all these cartridge connections, dont fret. As we have learned with the .224 Valkyrie, 6mm and 6.5mm Creedmoors, long and lean bullets with a high Ballistic Coefficient figure give the best performance when distances get truly long, and that is the issue with the .222 Remington: the light-for-caliber bullets dont have the conformation to hold their velocity at longer ranges. Designed to compete with the .22 Hornet, Winchester necked down the .25-20 Winchester to hold .224-inch-diameter bullets (the .25-20 itself was a .32-20 necked down), and the Model 65 was offered in .218 Bee, .25-20 and .32-20. The .222 will give excellent hunting ballistics out to 250 or 300 yards, and is perfect for both varmints and predators alike. Just telling you what i did. The .221 fireball and the .20 VarTarg are good options as well. I really wanted a Bee. Accuracy is important to me. vs. .300 Win. ????? maximum effective range. 32 H&R Magnum. I hope to try the 32-20 as well, though I think they are even harder to find and they bring . NO!! [2] A shortened version of the .222 Remington, it is popular as a varmint and small predator round while also finding use among target shooters. . TIA. Another benefit to the thicker brass is longer case life for the .218 Bee when both cartridges are loaded to maximum velocities. A mild report and almost no recoil make for an enjoyable shooting experience. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. There are a number of countries where owning a sporting rifle chambered for a military cartridge is prohibited, so for hunters in those countries, the .222 Remington makes perfect sense. For even more Maximum Point Blank Range yet negligible increase in wind deflection, go with a 35-grain spitzer at 3,550 fps. 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5 PRC: Which is Better? The 308 Winchester is a prime example of a cartridge case that has been modified to create many new cartridges. Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Looking to enhance your effectiveness in the turkey woods this season? I'll second the opinion that the K version tops the regular flavor. All are much smaller than the 22 velocity King, the long 220 Swift. Despite the 1 in its title, the 221 Fireball shoots the same .224 bullets as all other modern 22-caliber centerfires. For starters, it is a bit faster, which gives it a longer effective range. Hornet and Bee are much smaller, not as loud but you will still need hearing protection. Designed to compete with the .22 Hornet, Winchester necked down the .25-20 Winchester to hold .224-inch-diameter bullets (the .25-20 itself was a .32-20 necked down), and the Model 65 was offered in .218 Bee, .25-20 and .32-20. Don't know ? The 221 is close to being like the .223 that I already own . A whole lot of necking (not the kind we did in high school,) stretching, shortening and lengthening. But 400 foot-pounds at 275 yards are plenty for paper, steel, varmints, and marauding predators up to coyote size. After 10-12 hours, eject the 7.62x39 case and you are ready to start shooting. For some reason the 22 centerfire world is rife with inaccurate numerical titles. Introduced in 1944, it was also offered in .22 Hornet, .25-20 and .32-20. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. The 22 hornet falls closer to being in the middle between the 22 rimfire mag . The hornet is kind of ho-hum due to being extremely finicky in accuracy/load development,but rechambering it to "K" makes it an entirely different critter. Doubt kills more dreams than failure ever will. I am an unabashed handloader, and when I spent time with that Ruger No. Mag., .223 Remington and similar cartridges represent the middle ground of varmint cartridges. It's handles weight up to 50 grains much better than any higher. I called Virgin Valley a few years ago and ask the same question. The 221 Fireball may be the most efficient of our 22-caliber cartridges throwing .224" bullets. As you can see in the photo below, there are some pretty major differences between the .204 Ruger, .223 Remington, .22-250 Remington, and .220 Swift cartridges. All three of these cartridges use round nose bullets, and the spitzer bullets in the .222 made a huge difference. Mag. My first 22 centerfire and I think my overall third barrel was a 10" octagon Bee. The first Kimber was sent back and rebored by them to a K-Hornet. 218 Mashbrn Bee 221 Fireball 222 Rem 222 Rem Mag 22 PPC EABCO 223 Remington 223 Rem Wylde 5.56 NATO 223 Rem Ackly Imp 219 Donaldson Wasp 224 Valkyrie 224 BR Mag- BRM 225 Win 6mm PPC EABCO 6 Donaldson Wasp 6 BR Mag (BRM) 25-20 Win 25-35 Win 25-35 Win Ack Imp 6.5 US (Ult Silh) 264 LBC- AR 6.5 BRM 6.8 Rem SPC 7 TCU 7 US (Ult Silh) 7-30 Waters (Ret.) I've got a pile of Hornets and a 221 as well as a K-Hornet and 218 Bee and 222s. 17 Rem. But so what? If you screw up and head space a bottle neck case too short it is true that it will seat on the rim and probably fire, but this is certainly detrimental to accuracy and case life. Wind deflection increases just a quarter inch at 250 yards. Check out this story from contributor Mike Roux, for an excellent and educational anecdote highlighting the importance of a full quiver of calls. Never had any problems loading for it and it was a great shooter. 1 or Dakota M10 would make for a compact rifle in Fireball. With a 45-grain bullet, the Bee will give another 100 fps over the Hornet, with factory loads driving a 45-grain to 2750 fps. I have a 10" 357 barrel for deer that I am keeping but I have not decided what 22 centerfire barrel I want to stick with. Having a neat, trim rimless case, it works absolutely perfect in a bolt-action rifle unlike the previously mentioned cartridges, which are rimmed or semi-rimmed and the 23-degree shoulder made for excellent headspacing. I am especially fond of the 30-grain Berger hollowpoint and the 40-grain BlitzKing, Ballistic Tip and V-Max bullets in this cartridge. The .218 Bee is another small round that won't be loud. is One Gun To Rule Them All, New 270 Cartridges Challenge 6.5s and 7mms. Hundreds of rounds of ammunition were sent downrange every day, and by the end of the hunt, I found myself wanting to shoot the .222 more than the .223. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use. The extractor has to be sping loaded for rimless cases, where it is a straight push/pull for rimmed. Plus it was a Fireball - just about the most perfectest ground squirrel chambering I can think of. Ammunition, while not exactly plentiful, is still available from Remington, Federal, Hornady, Nosler, and HSM. | A broken shell extractor will remove the adapter and . L-R: 40 gr Hornady V-Max, 55 gr Sierra BlitzKing, .221 Remington Fireball, .22 LR Remington Golden Bullet. Whereas the Hornet was designed for use in bolt-action rifles, the Bee was designed for a rear-locking lever-action rifle, and for this reason, it was loaded to lower chamber pressure. The CZ 600 Trail proved to be a handy rifle that can down game in hard-to-find places, all without alerting everything with fur that you have moved into the woods. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Easiest to understand is the 17 Fireball and/or 17 Mach IV, so called because it could push a 20-grain bullet about 4,200 fps, nearly 4 times the speed of sound. The Ruger 77/22 is a great bolt-action repeater with their proprietary rotary magazine, and the Ruger No. The .221 FB is a small step up power-wise, but both are better suited to a 10" barrel than the .223 IMO. The hog had flinched just slightly at the hit, ran another 40 yards or so, and expired. After working with the .222 Remington they determined that it contained more powder capacity than was necessary to work efficiently in the shorter barrels of pistols. If you want something hotter than a Hornet/K-Hornet/Bee,get a 222 or 223.The 221 is nearly as loud as they are anyway. Winchester cartridge. Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis were as all shook up as rock-and-roll had gotten. The 218 bee is a fun little caliber, it's not real good on coyotes size animals, it well work though. RussellJ. Lee Precision Commercial Mold Handles fits Lee 6-Cavity Molds, also most other brands of single & do.. vs. .300 Wby. I now use. The stubby little round pushed 50-grain bullets from those 10-3/4 pistol barrels 2,600 fps. Scott Rupp gets a chance to talk to Aaron Oelger about a few new products from Hodgdon and why reloading store shelves are empty. You can practice target shooting, plinking, trigger control, field positions, etc. My 10" .223 is very loud unless I load with a faster powder like BlueDot, then the blast and performance are like a normal Bee load. (at least to my old fingers). The poorly understood 221 Fireball is stuck in the middle, shaded by family members exponentially more popular. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. Of course you can extend range at the sacrifice of a smidge more wind deflection with lighter bullets. JavaScript is disabled. If I agreed with you then we would both be wrong. The Beatles and Stones hadnt yet rocked the U.S. music scene. entered the market during 1939, and never gained any traction compared to others such as the .22 popularity compared to others in the same class. Its leaves a lil bitty pin hole thru the fur. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. What value does the 221 Fireball have today? Copyright GunData.org 2015 | Koenig Media, LLC | Links | Sitemap | Advertise. The Model 43 was a nice little rifle and often described as the poor man's Model 70, but those I owned in .22 Hornet and .218 Bee years ago were nowhere near as accurate as my Winchester models 54 and 70 in .22 Hornet. Handloaded stuff often cut that in half. Shortening was the route Remington took to create the 221 Fireball in 1963, lopping 0.30 from their 222 Rem. That the 221 Fireball ever made it into this world is unusual. At the time of this writing, there are two advertised factory loads for the Bee (Hornady and Winchester), while the Hornet has a dozen or more. The purpose of the increased pressure was to allow it to perform more effectively in the shorter barrel of the XP-100. All Rights Reserved. Do they handle easier?? It is also the basis for other cartridges in J.D. Mag. Just 1.830 inches. It also yields top performance in the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 mm Russian cartridge. For reduced loads in the 221 Fireball, reduce maximum load by two grains of powder from the 223. Photo shows 221 Fireball, 17 Fireball, 222 Remington, 223 Remington, and 220 Swift. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. And im wanting to get a new caliber and need help choosing.i role my own for all rifles. vs. .340 Wby. There is nothing wrong with your Bee for the smaller aminals, especially if the range won't exceed 150 yards. Winchester's .218 Bee factory load uses a 46 grain hollow point bullet at a MV of 2760 fps and muzzle energy of 778 ft. lbs. New Win. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. and the 223 . Mag. Half a century ago, small-bore accuracy was defined by a single cartridge, a simple, mild cartridge called the .222 Remington. Initial loads pushed a 45-grain jacketed bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2400 fps, and Winchester believed in the cartridge to the point where they offered it in the Model 54 bolt-action rifle and it was one of the original chamberings for the Model 70 in 1936. NOPE. I'd opt for the 12" tube if I was buying another. Makes for a tuff decision . It has a rim diameter of 0.350 inches, a case length of 1.403 inches, and a slight 5-degree, 38-minute shoulder which culminates in neck measuring 0.386 inches, giving all the neck tension youd want. the neck of the .25-20 Winchester to accept the .224 bullet shell. In that class,you neglected 1 of the best lil cartridges I've ever used-the .22 K hornet. In a world of hyper-velocity cartridges, where shooting into the next zip code has almost become the norm, it can be refreshing to spend some time with one of the classic rimmed cartridges which our grandfathers used for varmints, predators and small-game species. The .221 FB is a small step up power-wise, but both are better suited to a 10" barrel than the .223 IMO. Winchester cases and CCI 400 primers were used in all loads. The 218 Bee was developed specifically for the Winchester Model 65 lever action, and despite its extremely light recoil, it has always been factory loaded with tube-magazine-friendly bullets with flatnose profiles. The .22 Hornet is the older of the pair, being released commercially in 1930. Short and sweet. A World Record Attempt and everyone is out at the range shooting and practicing. The bullet was designed for lever actions rifles by lowering This could be your huckleberry. P.S. The break-action Thompson Contender handgun was still five years in the future. I've had a couple of 10" octagons and they were great shooters with the short tube. These throw .224" jacketed varmint bullets usually weighing between 45 and 60 grains. .17 Remington Fireball next to its parent case, the .221 Remington Fireball. So they shortened the case, knocked about 5-grains capacity out of it, and came up with that memorable name. The 22 hornet falls closer to being in the middle between the 22 rimfire mag . Id hate to see either fade away completely, but in this competition Ill have to give the nod to the older .22 Hornet. Just as its good fun to grab a good old .30-30 carbine instead of the .30-06 sometimes, time spent with a good rifle chambered for the Hornet or the Bee can be a great change of pace. Available in different sizes and red dot ready, it'll fit your needs, whatever they are. I don't shoot my .221 for groups but it takes out prairie dogs at 300 yds. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. J.D. All Rights Reserved. Though there had been another cartridge in the 1890s known as the Hornet, it was dimensionally different from the 1930 variant. Here's hoping the .218 Bee will continue to buzz over the varmint fields for many years to come. Well right now im hunting with a 223 AI. The .222 Remington had no parent cartridge Remington, and especially Mike Walker, put quite a bit of R&D into this cartridge and as it was much easier on barrels and ear drums, it took off quickly. The .221 Fireball has also been used as the base for the .300 Whisper, sometimes referred to as the .300/.221 or .300 Fireball. I hunt predators for their furso that means that i need to shoot a smaller caliber. This was in conservative 1963. I agree with Lone Star. 22hornet vs 218bee? In fact, the relatively mild report and virtual lack of recoil can be a wonderful diversion. The overall case length measures 1.345 inches and the Bee has a neck length of 0.258 inches, more than one caliber, for sufficient neck tension. The primer is a boxer for small rifle where the anvil is a separate stirrup piece that sits .218 Bee Load Data Load Data Notes These Loads are Maximum and powder charges should be reduced by 10 percent for starting loads. Binder, if they still make factory ammo for the 221 Fireball I stand corrected, as for velocity my Sierra second addition list the fastest load for a 50 grain bullet from the 221 at 2550 fps. The lighter bullets can be pushed considerably faster like Hornadys 35-grain NTX load at over 3,700 fps and work very well on lighter varmints. Image show the wound channel of a 221 Fireball fired into a large tube of wax. Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. How to Sight in a Scope - Step by Step Guide. But unless you intend to handload, the Hornet makes more sense, simply for the availability and range of factory loads. ammo is about 75cents /round and that can get a little spendy. Your Price: $394.00 Part Number: 122-ABCON Availability: Made to Order Sale: Does not qualify for promotions Feature: Must Ship Signature Required Addtnl $7 NOTE: Made to Order- Please allow 9 months *Total Payment Required Select Option for Availability Select Caliber * Select Barrel Contour * Select Finish * Barrel Length * Select Twist Rate It came about in 1938 when Winchester, looking to boost the sagging sales of its Model 92 rifle, added the .218 Bee - failing to recognize that, even back then, hunters wanted their varmint cartridges in bolt actions and single-shots, not lever actions. It is also extremely accurate. Mine is very accurate and I like to think it is like a 22 Hornet on steriods. Yes,the 221 shoots faster and flatter.But it defeats the purpose of what origanaly drew me (and many others)to the Hornet-superior ballistics compared to rimfires,but still being very quiet. Since the Bee was designed for a rifle with a tubular magazine, Winchester and Remington always loaded it with blunt-nosed bullets, whereas the Hornet was commonly loaded with pointed bullets. RE: 218 bee vs. 17 rem vs. 221 fireball. 22 Hornet. All rights reserved. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. Can ask for an easier chambering to load for and the cases last indefinitely. I would not use it unless it's all I had, Good Hunting. COL of the 221 Fireball? the casing. Any downfalls to either for yotes, fox, cats and GRound hogs. I'm sure the fact that the Bee is rimmed and the fireball isn't influences me considerably. That same manual list several 50 grain bullet loads for the 218 bee at 2600 fps and one 55 grain load also at 2600 fps. 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