So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. I mean it wasn't your idea. There are corollaries in other states. Really appreciate it. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. I don't know if she still is. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. I think that you probably are. Mountain lion or cat running across. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Caller: Hi. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. Think you've seen a mountain lion? The sightings have not been confirmed; in fact, there have been no confirmed mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire since one was shot and killed on the seacoast in the 1850s, said Patrick Tate . So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. A young male cougar weighing about 40 pounds was shot and killed this week near Whiteclay, Nebraska. Still, it's been over 100 years since the last mountain lion was killed east of the Mississippi, except for a patch of them down in Florida, where there are supposed to be 100 to 200 still living. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. Caller: Yeah. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. Thank you. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. In Vermont, it was 1881. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Your support makes this news available to everyone. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. She is renowned for tracking. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. Yeah I did. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? So in fact, maybe a decade ago now there was a mountain lion killed in Connecticut and through DNA analysis of that mountain lion and scat that had been left in various places. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Share. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. Thanks for taking my call. Okay. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. I'm Peter B yellow. But no proof was offered. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. How far were you from this cat. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. This is a list of known or suspected fatal cougar attacks that occurred in North America by decade in chronological order. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. You don't know what's going on. Tonight, Sean McDonald . It's good to talk to you. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. Peter Biello: Wow. Patrick Tate: Well. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. More recently, in 2011, a mountain lion roamed Connecticut before being hit and killed by a car. There's no attraction. So what a neat experience. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Give today. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. Thanks for calling. The report came in from a conservation officer. Absolutely. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. I can't. Let's look for other evidence. Here it is. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. Caller: Oh yeah. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. The last known mountain lion killed in New Hampshire is displayed at the Woodman Museum in Dover. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. 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