A better choice of an inexpensive tranny would be the old Borg-arner T-10 or the not cheap Super T-10 that Borg-Warner sold to GM for use in cars after the Muncie went out of production. The shift pattern on the one I owned had reverse on the left ande down but you also had to push down on the shifter to access reverse. 3. Case length measures 1058 inches. http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/vette/65 Chevelle L79/65Chevelle6June2010.jpg. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The shifter is too far to the drivers side and will be a pain. This decodes to 1972 (2), October (R), 25th, M21 (B). This video is just as informative but with better camera footage and different camera angles. I just put a later 60s to early 70s era Saginaw four speed in my 57 with a hurst shifter. Just over and up. Not a lot of torque capacity, but it works. Get Directions. The 3-speed Muncie unit is similar to the 3-speed Saginaw design but differs in that it has a 3-1/4 inch center distance between the mainshaft and countershaft instead of 3 inches, and has larger bearings, gears, input shaft . Thanks. Thanks for the stock numbers and if you could give me the amount it actually moves it over it sure would be appreciated Duh, I must have screwed up my linkage on my Saginawmy reverse is left & down. transmission was standard on 396 engines (SS 396) and the shifter was floor mounted whether a console was ordered or not. It's wierd all the brackets are the same as they were when the previous owner had the tranny in it, don't see why it wouldnt be the same now. 1955 & Earlier Light Duty 3-speed Standard Shift Transmission. I've spent many years selling cars, working with auto detailers, mechanics, dealership service teams, quoting and researching car insurance, modding my own cars, and much more. transmission was standard on 396 engines (SS 396) and R.P.O. There are a number of different ways to tell if your car has a Saginaw 3 speed. Some folks here don't fit in at the HAMB. Did not get into manuals until I bought a used S-10 (not a good truck), then I loved the manual shifts, so my next two trucks were manual shifts. The Saggy in my '72 Camaro has the same shift pattern, left and in for reverse. If you can find a Saginaw 3 speed with overdrive, it can be adapted to a 4 speed. Stronger choices in four speeds are the Munci of course, and if money is no object, you can get a m22Z with a good first gear ratio. So there is no lifting up on the shifter to go into reverse. For 1955-1957 Chevrolet full size models w/ bench seat. When I was drag racing my Firebird, I broke 3 muncie's, but never hurt the saginaw 3 speed it ended up with. Now the Saginaw overdrive from a three speedwill fit on a saginw 4 speed. Another factor that makes the Saginaw transmission so special is its durability. I use the 77 one on mine, but with a Muncie and a Hurst shifter. While they share some similarities, they also have some notable differences. The shifter rods and levers are on upside-down.. :yes: Authentication and pre-purchase inspection service still available. It will bolt right in place just the same as any 4 speed. Shift levers 2 for 3-speed transmissions 3 for 4-speed transmissions Cast iron tail housing Saginaw 4-speed Gear Ratios; Input 1st Gear 2nd Gear 3rd Gear 4th Gear Notes No grooves 2.84 2.01 1.34 1.00 . Flashight, I had a floorshifter on a overdrive trans in my 55.1 before did the s-10 chassis swap. when stopped its easy to drop it into first gear. That overdrive will not fit any 4 speed that I know of. (October 25), Saginaw 3-speed engine, RPO M20 13817-867 & RPO L35 396/325hp engine, * 3879668 was 3877459 - revised in 1967 but date unreadable, 1963 Only small 6207NR Front Bearing ,Pat. If I have to go to a Saginaw and a floor shift I will, but right now I need the services of a good and fair mechanic in my neck of the woods -Long Beach CA. Pending, 7/8" Bore, 1963 - 1964 Regular Bearing Pat. stud and the shift arm attached with a nut on the stud while the 1969 and later Unfortunately these metal tags are often discarded Check the gear shifter location: The Saginaw transmission has a distinctive shifter location that is further forward than many other manual transmissions. Chevrolet / GM Big Block V8 engines have the same block pattern. Come join the discussion about engine swaps, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! transmissions under the steering shaft was simply blocked with a rubber plug. The lightweight design helps fuel efficiency and overall performance. The T-89 is a big beefy 3-speed used with many early-to-mid 1960s engines. Project Update Section, Post Project Updates Here, Suspension Questions Chassis, Brakes, Shocks, Etc. . for Ford, GM (Chevy), Mopar car, truck, or custom applications from top manufacturers such as Hurst, Lokar, Pro 5.0, B&M, and more. Maby you could post a add on your local craigs list and find what you need? 2-3 days lead time. Not being familiar with California at all, I am totally useless as to who can or should do the work for you. If you are unsure whether or not your car has a Saginaw transmission, follow the steps outlined above. Buick, Olds, Pontiac and Cadillac block patterns . You both seem so knowledgeable and I really NEED your help, but I also appreciate it also. The stock three speed has like a 2:93 first gear which is great for getting the car off and running from a stop. The base manual transmission for non-high-performance models and 67-8 SS350's was the Saginaw 3-speed, M15. $45.00. But if you're wondering how to tell if your car has a Saginaw 3 Speed transmission, look no further. Pending, 7/8" Bore, 1964 Milled off last 3 digits 7/8" Bore It feels real comfortable to pull the thing left & towards me. These are some of the ways to check. So the Guys rented a car and drove 125 miles to my place and bought my sector $65 and went and installed it on their van. Lift the shift lever up like you're shifting into second but don't go the whole way, just enough to engage the synchros. One of the folks that I have talked with says the leaking oil could mean that when they changed engines from the six to the V8 they forgot or installed a bad pilot bearing or the leak is a rear main seal - what are your ideas? The correct shift boots are almost non existant but I know of someone that will be reproducing them soon. . For reverse, I assume you're not moving, do the same thing pushing toward third and then pulling up into reverse. I am in the process of rebuilding a 1980 Z28. MANUAL Produced in 2- and 4-wheel-drive versions. It uses the same driveshaft as a TH-350, and has a 10 spline clutch. 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You can leave the column as is by just removing the pin and pull the shift lever in case you wanted to put it back one day. While there are no distinctive pans and bolt counts to make transmission identification simple, 4-speed manual transmissions can be generally identified by examining the side profile. In 1968 and 1969, the pattern was . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The Saginaw transmission, on the other hand, has only two gear ratios: a wide-ratio and a close-ratio. 2) 1-2 shift lever is in the correct position. Identifying what type of transmission your car has is important, especially if you wish to repair or replace it. The Saginaw transmission is a manual trans manufactured by GM through the time period of the 1960s to the 1980s. Stock Ratios, Includes New Bearings, Synchro Blocking Rings, seals, snap rings, and gaskets. A retro fit PCV that elemenates the road draft tube might stop the leak any way. 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